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July 28, 2006

Old-time religion (and I mean old time)

One idea that I never heard growing up (because I didn't read enough Catholic authors from before the 60s) is the idea of "primeval tradition."  It was a little startling to realize that some authors seemed even to take for granted the idea that there are some things that have been the common intellectual property of mankind since Adam and Eve; not instinct but knowledge - a tradition, if you will, passed down (albeit not by an appointed succession but in the things "everyone" knows) from the generation that actually remembered the Garden.

I don't really think about this enough to go around looking for examples of what this would be, but something occurred to me when I was reading some academic-type papers about ancient Greece and Rome.  No matter what culture people are talking about, no matter what time period, people who are in favor of certain moral standards such as, say, more modest dress, are *always* considered to be "old-fashioned moralists."  Maybe if this is just a projection backwards by modern people someone who really knows these things will correct me, but it seemed that even in these ancient pagan cultures, advocating more sexual license was new and modern, while advocating less was old-fashioned.

Think about it - even if the more strict people are actually reformers, they are always considered a conservative reaction.  You never hear about the progressive, forward-thinking people who breaking new ground in modesty or decency or whatever, do you?

Again, I'm not claiming that this is incontrovertible evidence of anything; just an anecdote.  I'd be interested to hear if you have an argument either corroborating this or explaining it away as an artifact of modern habits of thinking.

Posted by Thomas A. on July 28, 2006 at 02:34 PM | Permalink

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Actually this is a mighty interesting point, which I have never heard advanced (maybe I inferred it from GKC's The Everlasting Man) ... but certainly there DOES seem to be a common store of human knowledge, like language (did I hear Clive Lewis murmur "old solar"?)

Perhaps Adam and Eve tried to preserve what they could - imagine multi-degreed parents trying to raise kids in a stone-age environment (it might make an interesting story). Too bad about Abel getting killed, though - maybe we would have had warp drives and Mr. Fusion a millennium or two earlier. (hee hee)

I wonder whether any serious anthropologists or philologists have ever attempted to examine the evidence using such a premise... it's hardly as flaky as some of the suppositions one hears. Even the human mitochondrial DNA points toward a common female ancestor ... the mother of all the living...

Posted by: DoctorThursday | Jul 28, 2006 4:44:26 PM

Jungian theory seems like it might be a helpful lead here. Jung was a big proponent of the "collective unconscious" or "inherited memory." Tolkien picked up on this quite a bit. I was recently at a talk on Tolkien where the speaker mentioned a recurring dream that Tolkien and his son used to have about a cataclysmic wave. When they discovered they were having the same dream independently, Tolkien conjectured that they might have inherited the memory.
(If you were going to go the fundamentalist root, any such knowledge would have had to pass through Noah's family...since they would be the only ones who survived the Flood...)

And to go along with Dr. Thursday, there is a branch of modern linguistic theory that language was never "invented." We were just sort of hardwired with language (not particular words, obviously, but the dynamics of language), in which case it's a kind of genetic knowledge/skills set.

Posted by: PeterTerp | Jul 28, 2006 5:51:18 PM

Oh, say - that sounds familiar - maybe: in principio erat verbum?

Hmmm. Language and Tolkien - seems to fit together.

Posted by: DoctorThursday | Jul 28, 2006 8:38:59 PM

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